{"id":297,"date":"2010-10-27T11:52:31","date_gmt":"2010-10-27T09:52:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/premesso.newcontrarian.com\/?p=297"},"modified":"2010-10-27T11:52:31","modified_gmt":"2010-10-27T09:52:31","slug":"old-gold","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/premesso.com\/?p=297","title":{"rendered":"Old Gold"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure style=\"width: 203px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><br \/>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/newsimg.bbc.co.uk\/media\/images\/39523000\/jpg\/_39523659_1owen203.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"203\" height=\"152\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-caption-text\">If you can keep your head when...<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Doing some research on Milosevic cheerleaders and Srebrenica deniers\u00a0<em>Living Marxism<\/em>, I happened upon this <a title=\"lrb mark thompson letter debate\" href=\"http:\/\/www.lrb.co.uk\/v15\/n09\/mark-thompson\/greater-croatia\" target=\"_blank\">debate<\/a> in the 8 July 1993 issue of the <em>London Review of Books<\/em>.  If you&#8217;ve been following <a title=\"premesso discussion on mladic\" href=\"http:\/\/premesso.newcontrarian.com\/2010\/10\/23\/soft-on-mladic\/\" target=\"_blank\">the discussion on my post on Mladic<\/a> you might&#8217;ve heard the assertion that the only way to reverse the gains made by the ethnic cleansing that Bosnian Serbs mainly accomplished in two shorts weeks in the spring of 1992 would have been a total military defeat. This is true, but the time for this was, of course, in August 1995 and not the present.  But the following quote from author <a title=\"sourcewatch on mark thompson\" href=\"http:\/\/www.sourcewatch.org\/index.php?title=Mark_Thompson\" target=\"_blank\">Mark Thompson<\/a> practically could&#8217;ve have come from these pages:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Nothing but nothing will \u2018reverse ethnic cleansing\u2019 (David Owen\u2019s initial aim) except a military defeat inflicted upon Serb forces in Bosnia-Herzegovina (and David Owen was employed, of course, exactly to try and forestall the necessity of Western military action by persuading the Serb forces to abandon their maximal aims). Without a Serb defeat there is no chance of stability for the entire region, no hope for Bosnia Herzegovina, and only black prospects for Serbia and Croatia.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Of course not all of this is true.  Serbia and Croatia&#8217;s prospects are not &#8216;black&#8217; at present; Croatia&#8217;s haven&#8217;t been for quite some time. \u00a0And David Owen might&#8217;ve indeed had the lofty aim of reversing the ethnic cleansing that went on in the first draft of his plan, but he and Cyrus Vance eventually had to own up to the reality on the ground, which was sharply slanted in the Serbs&#8217; favor. \u00a0That reality was reflected in their second plan, which was enormously unpopular in that it would&#8217;ve only\u00a0solidified\u00a0Serb gains. \u00a0Of course it was rejected by Bosnian Serb leadership, who at that point must&#8217;ve been feeling pretty\u00a0invulnerable.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s hard to reverse territorial gains (and the terror campaigns that inevitably go with them) without an army. \u00a0No one learned this lesson more bitterly than the Croats and Bosnians in this conflict. \u00a0The only &#8220;plan&#8221; that would have had any success was the Carrington-Cutileiro one &#8212; because it was designed to prevent, not stop, fighting. \u00a0 \u00a0But it was too little, too late.<\/p>\n<p>NB: Those who read this letters column to the end will find a young <a title=\"marko hoare's page\" href=\"http:\/\/greatersurbiton.wordpress.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Marko Hoare<\/a> going the distance over wartime nationalism in the Nazi-occupied territory of Serbia and Croatia.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Doing some research on Milosevic cheerleaders and Srebrenica deniers\u00a0Living Marxism, I happened upon this debate in the 8 July 1993 issue of the London Review of Books. If you&#8217;ve been following the discussion on my post on Mladic you might&#8217;ve heard the assertion that the only way to reverse the gains made by the ethnic &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/premesso.com\/?p=297\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Old Gold&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[6,13,30,58],"tags":[88,418,420,234,257,312,450,388],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/premesso.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/297"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/premesso.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/premesso.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/premesso.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/premesso.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=297"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/premesso.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/297\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/premesso.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=297"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/premesso.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=297"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/premesso.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=297"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}